1. The title of Chapter 11 is "Veni Vidi Vici," which means "I came, I saw, I conquered." Explain the significance of the events in this chapter.
2. Why do you think the details of Mazer's strategy are omitted in the invasion videos?
3. Why is the fight with Bonzo in Chapter 12 so important?
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My thoughts ...... I think that the fight with Bozo, oops Bonzo, was a moment of foreshadowing. The fight foreshadowed the end, the end of his torment, then of of his life. And it was, the end of the life he had known for years. The fight wasn't the peak of the bullying, no I think the peak was when Bozo hit him the very first time, because that was, I believe, when his resolve was first set in motion and refined(that's what I think honestly). And also in all honesty, I really believe that Bozo deserved getting the poo beat out of him. I feel sorry that he died, but he entered the bathroom intent on killing Ender. Alls fair in war right?...
ReplyDeleteThe name of the chapter is significant because it describes Ender's state of mind in the games. Ender believes he has no choice but to win every single battle, or the other boys won't take him seriously as commander and the teachers won't have faith in him for the future.
ReplyDeleteI think Mazers strategies are taken out of the videos because maybe the government is hiding a secret...
Ooh...I agree with you Hayley on Ender's mind set that he has no other choice except to win his battles to earn respect from everyone else and about why Mazer's strategies being taken out for government purposes
DeleteWhat if Mazer's battle was made up? What if everyone is just making him seem like a hero, but he didn't do anything heroic? Maybe that's why they cut out the videos.
DeleteOr maybe it just wasn't much of a battle?
DeleteI think they make a point out of not having footage of Mazer's battle because Ender is expected to be the next Mazer and they don't want to give him any help. And also they want him to be something and they won't tell him anything about it, which is sort of becoming a pattern.
DeleteI think Abbie has the right idea. I think they cut the footage out because they want Ender to figure out how to defeat the Buggers by himself, not copying someone's moves. And this allows for Ender to think of his own strategy which his have worked for all his previous battles.
DeleteI also agree with Abbie, everything sets up so precisely so that you get the idea of how everyone (meaning the adults) have so much hope in Ender that they think he hwas the abilities to defeat the Buggers by himself, and as Lisa said, he'll probably come up with his own way.
DeleteI agree with everyone on this. Why would they hide and cut out seines of mazer was it all just made up to bring fear to other people so that those who are in power would stay in power because fear is the only thing that is allowing people to believe the movie clips that they are showed every year and in school?
DeleteI think part of the reason Mazer's battles are cut out is because they don't want people to believe that the victory was only achieved through luck. That is what the strategy of Mazer's would look like to the general public, thus, causing them to lose hope.
DeleteI believe the fight with bonzo was important because it showed Enders fight not to lose. He would not give up or back down when the fight and odds were way against him. He did what he had always trained his boys to do, is to react quickly to new situations and know how to change your strategy quickly when things aren't going your way. And he did, and he won. That shows Enders strength, and his ability to know how to turn a fight around with out a warm up, or a plan, or a flash suit. The fighting spirit he had all along and Graff saw in him from the beginning. Why he had chosen himo in the first place
ReplyDeleteThough your point is valid, I don't think Ender has so much of a fighting spirit, as he had the will to protect himself and the others he cared for. The only reason he went to battle school was to protect his family, and the only reason he fought against Bonzo was so that he'd leave him alone
DeleteI agree with Alexei, Ender doesn't seem all about fighting, unless he feels pressured to do so, for example defending himself. He didn't really want to hurt Bonzo, and he had wished that Bonzo would have left him alone, but Ender is a genius! Thats his own strength .
DeleteI agree with Alexei as well! Ender throughout the entire book has gotten into fights, but he always fights them with a mindset that he is going to fight to protect himseld. He means no harm and just wishes that people would not attack him. His enemies think he is an easy target since he is young, but he is a genius and will beat whoever tries to attack him. Just like how he wins his battles, it's because he does whatever he can to protect himself and the ones he cares about.
DeleteI agree with Alexie because even though it might have seemed like Ender was supposed to hurt them, it really wasn't that way. I also agree with Lisa, he does whatever is needed to protect himself. He was chosen to be one of the greatest commanders but he doesn't want to become that. He realizes that all the teachers want to make him something he's not. He is forced to fight the way he does, and because he thinks straight off the bat and has his strategies is the way he wins his battles. It really isn't force or the way he fights, it's just strategies. When he wins, he doesn't really pay much attention because that's his duty win or lose, one or the other. He doesn't have a choice. Then when he finally says he's done with it, he means it.
DeleteMazer's videos were probably taken out because it's classified, which is what I though in the beginning. Later, though, you find out that they were taken out because they could really explain what was going on.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with Paige. There are probably secrets they don't want the kids to know, so they keep it classified. For example, in the previous chapters when Dink was saying things about why things happen, and why people get so into the games and such.
DeleteI also agree with Paige that the videos were clasified because they didnt want to let the kids know. They wanted them to be a secret.The teachers are hinding something and they are trying to not let the students find out.
DeleteThe fight is important because it shows how mean bonzo is because he tried to kill Ender and also Ender hurt Bonzo pretty good.
The fight with Bonzo is so important because it shows that the staff isn't always there to save Ender. He tells himself that he doesn't want to fight but he knows that he must fight to save his own life. He knows that he must win this fight so that there will never be another fight again. He must win it for all the marbles.
ReplyDeleteYes. Ender needs to learn that in the real war he won't have anybody to rely on
DeleteYes, but at the same time, they want Ender to rely on them. The other boys, and the teachers at the battle school. They want him to have the illusion of being alone, but want him to fully depend on his soldiers in the real battle.
DeleteYeah, ender's fight with Bonzo is important in establishing Ender as someone who shouldn't be messed with. Graff is definitely trying to leave Ender in the dark to see what he is really made of.
DeleteThe the fight was the test. If he could actually turn a battle of many into one then in that one fight defeat them all, he could fight the buggers. (spoiler alert) This is how they faught the buggers and this is why after this battle he got promoted. Bonzo was the queen. When he got beaten the rest were Defenseless. Wow that just hit me. What's that? foreshadowing?
DeletePeople being there to help him or adults being there to save him But he should be able to go into a bathroom without worrying that he is going to get in a fight
ReplyDeleteI think that the fight with Bronzo was a way to test Ender and see what he is capable of with all the training he has received even though he is not in the Battle room with his soldiers. Though Bronzo took quite a beating, Ender only hurt him because it was self defense. Ender never wants to hurt anybody, it's just their fault for trying to hurt him.
ReplyDeleteHis self defense shouldn't be so brutal. Yes, making sure he didnt ever get hurt or threatened again was the goal but did it have to end up that bad?
ReplyDeleteI agree with you holly but at the same time I don't. Ender didn't mean to kill Bonzo he just meant to protect himself. Ender didn't want to die and he thought that if he hurt Bonzo bad enough the Bonzo would leave him alone, but never did Ender mean to kill him. How could Ender have known that when he head-butted Bonzo's face to get away that it would smash Bonzo's nose into his brain? He couldn't have known so if you really think about it you can't blame Ender to hard for what happened.
DeleteI totally agree with Haley. Like Haley said, Ender didn't mean to kill Bonzo. It's just like in chapter one, when Colonel Graff confronts Ender about why he kept kicking the Stilson boy when he had already won. He said "Knocking him down won the first fight. I wanted to win all the next ones, too. So they'd leave me alone." Ender had no idea that he was hurting Bonzo so much that it killed Bonzo. He wasn't trying to kill him, he was only trying to make it so that Bonzo would leave him alone and not try to gang up on him again.
DeleteI beleive that the vide thing is so significant because thats what julius Caesar said when he was emperor of Rome, which implies that Ender is kinda like Caesar. And pulse the head guys in charge keep mentioning that he is similar to a dictator.
ReplyDeleteyes i agree because in both ways they are emperors or in charge of what is going on so i completely agree with Antony
DeleteI believe that Mazer's accomplishments are blocked out because the ideas it will put in Ender's head. If Ender watched Mazer's strategies, he would not be able to come up with his own out of thin air. It would be good, but they need Ender to NOT be Mazer so the war could be over. I really want to know if Ender can actually destroy or make peace with the buggers.
ReplyDeleteI have to disagree, parts of the videos from the second invasion were not cut out just for Ender, I think the IF is hiding something, like the way the humans won...
DeleteI agree with luc that the I.F. didn't cut it out just for ender but because they are hiding something bigger.
DeleteEnders fight with Bonzo was so important because Bonzo obviously had the upper hand and was ready way before Ender and his army was. This was also so important because not only being the best army, besides Enders, Bonzo was the only person that had hit him. Bonzo finally had to realize that he had finally been defeated when the odds had been for him and he still lost.
ReplyDeleteThe fight with Bonzo was meant to be more of a test for Ender, ever time Ender won the games, people would hate him more, and the commanders knew that soon there would be somebody who would try and kill Ender, they leave Ender alone all the time and do it so he can be isolated and hated by others because they want to see how he will handle situations where he will have no help.
DeleteI believe that the strategy is take out from then videos because they don't want any of the new soldiers to just be trying to take it from the best there is. I think the Graff wants to find out how can come up with new strategies to see who would be best for the job. Along side with that the buggers already know Mazer's strategy and the humans would be wiped out if that's all the soldiers could think of because they know he was the best.
ReplyDeleteI think the significance of the name veni vidi vici is because that is Enders first battle with him being a commander, most commanders get a few losses Ender their belt before they start to win. Ender was hated for this, as if it wasn't bad enough that he was the youngest commander and had the youngest group of boys for his toons. Ender continued to win with a perfect win loss ratio witch has never been done which would explain the veni vedi vici title.
ReplyDeleteBonzo just wants to show that he's the leader, that he's on top. End there's only so much he can take. With Ender beating him and outwitting him, he was embarrassed. But we all saw the fight coming. All I'm wondering is why Bonzo didn't just take care of Ender himself instead of involving 5 other boys to help him fight Ender. Bonzo is a great example of someone who is full of himself and how family pride is passed down.
ReplyDeleteIn the invasion videos that Ender has been watching, why did the school cut out so much detail? What are they trying to hide?
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion Enders fight with Bonzo was important because if Bonzo would have won the fight then Ender would have lost a lot of respect from everyone because lots of people looked up to Ender as a great/genius commander, but of corse Ender out smarted Bonzo and won fight.
ReplyDeleteThe fight against Bonzo was important to Ender because he needs to know what to do in that situation to be able to defend himself without any adult help. It was all part of General Graff's plan to not have IF police to protect Ender. I think the strategy from the war videos are taken out so the other soldiers can figure out the strategies on their own just like Ender was.
ReplyDeleteAt first I thought that Mazer was just a big fake and everyone tried to make him seem like he's all that, but at the end of the book I realized that there really wasn't much to the battle as Mazer himself pointed out. Mazer, in a way, really was a hero. He discovered how to actually take out the buggers, something no one else had even come close to figuring out. Mazer gave everyone hope that they would be able to protect themselves should the buggers ever return.
ReplyDeleteThe fight with Bonzo is a way of showing that Ender isn't gonna take anyone's crap anymore, and that the battle school has really changed him. In Ender's mind, the school is turning him into a "Peter". It also shows that he's not just a kid anymore.
ReplyDeleteTo me it seems that the fight between bonzo and ender Is important because bonzo and some other commanders aren't gonna let ender win so much and show up the other armies. So they were gonna just "persuade" him by beating him up so they could show ender whatsup. To bad it backfired and bonzo ends up getting his butt handed to him.
ReplyDeleteThe term Veni Vidi Vicil is used as the title of the chapter because enders conquers all of his battles, and never losing, which is the first time it had been done. Also the fight with Bonzo was important because after ender kicked Bonzos butt, Bonzo got iced, elimating some of Ender's competition.
ReplyDeleteThe significance of this chapter mostly describes ender. What eder think in te game like his state of mind. To ender he wants to win everything like the games and the battles or else the older boys will won't take him seriously as commander. And the teachers won't believe in him for web e has to save the world and important future things.
ReplyDeleteMazer's videos were probably taken out because of classified information or how we eventually find out that they couldn't explain what was going during the battle. The teachers and adults probably don't want the kids to see all the classified things or how scary the buggers are, or don't want the kids to find out that everything might be a game and the teachers are the bad people like what dink said earlier in the book.
ReplyDeleteWhen Ender was made commander of the Dragon army at such a young age, and incharge of childern with little to no experiance in the battles, but continued to win. everyone knew he could command any group of fresh battle school students into an elite army. This is how he conquered the battle school.
ReplyDeleteAlso i believe that Mazers strategy was deleted from the battle videos because they dont want the world to know how the starships defeated the buggers, because it may have been a painful death for both sides.
ReplyDeletethe fight between bonzo and ender was enders next step to show graff that he was a winner he was in it to win. he didnt care to have honor or fairness he just wanted to win.
ReplyDeleteI think that Ender predicted that things where about to get a lot harder and then they did. The game became almost impossible to play, and his army was being forced to play more then once a day. They are testing to see if Ender can be pushed to the limit. And Ender accomplished everything they pushed at him.
ReplyDeleteI think they may have taken the videos out because there was something Mazer did that they want no one to know about. It could disgrace the school.
The fight shows that Ender knows he is on his own, and he is ready for anything. He will not think twice before killing someone. Also he knows exactly what he is doing. Graff has accomplished his task, he created the perfect solider.
I have formed two hypothesis on what actually happened. Because obviously, if all of Mazer's strategies were hidden from the world, something is suspicious.
ReplyDelete1. Mazer was a fake. Just a government-appointed figure so the world has a hero, so no one knows what really happened. Because the government could've done something very shameful that they never wanted to world to find out about, or they wanted to be able to scare humanity with the thought of the buggers coming back someday. Or
2. Buggers don't exist. They never did. The whole war was fake. The I.F. just wanted to be in control. To scare the populations with the idea that at any minute, a large army could attack them, and their only protection was the government. In the book Ender discovers that there isn't any footage of buggers fighting. Just footage of dead buggers. People will do anything for power, and even this idea doesn't seem to out-of-this-world if it was conducted by a power-hungry creep.
I think that the title is important because it shows us how easy it was for enders army to defeat the other armys. I seems like they didn't even have to fight they just came and the enemy basicly rolled over infront of him they didn't stand a chance.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if this was already asked... but does Ender know that he killed Bonzo?
ReplyDeleteAs Veni Vidi Vici means 'I came, I saw, I conquered', and that's exactly what Ender does. He destroys all competition like there's no tomorrow and he conquers them all with his powerful brain, hahah.
ReplyDelete"Veni, Vidi, Vici" - "I came, I saw, I couquered"
ReplyDeleteThis title is essential to what Ender does. Ender at first seems really weak to everyone, but the teachers know he's got potential. They know that he is smart because he tends to keep going with the video game and he keeps shocking the teachers. When he becomes the commander of his army, a weak army, the teachers put all sorts of challenges to Ender and yet Ender overcame them. He taught his army to fight well and to see things that others wouldn't. He taught them to think greatly and think of solutions to their battles. Because of the way he taught them so well, is the reason behind his army winning all those battles. I think that Ender came and unexpectedly surprised everyone. He got to being the best in all Battle School.
The fight with Bonzo is important because not only do we see what Bonzo really feels towards Ender but we also see that Ender really doesn't ever like to hurt people. All he wanted was to be left alone. He didn't get that and so in order to defend himself he fought back but not more violent then Bonzo. It was Bonzo's fault and he should have left him alone. Ender does not mean to Kill anyone and yet he does. In my opinion, I don't think he means to hurt or in this case kill for that matter.
Ender is put in a battle where is out numbered and out match but stil manages to crush the emery, it proves that he is a brilliant military commander once and for all but is arrogant about it.Mazer is very blunt and put it all out for him so that he can handle it.
ReplyDeleteThe fight with Bonzo is similar to the fight with Stilson, he is the arrestor and has to defend himself, and he has to imprint in the minds of others that he is not to be messed with, so he beats the crap out of Bonzo like he did to Stilson, after he is pulled away regrets fills him when he again realizes that a little bit of Peter is inside of him. He ends up killing Bonzo, and finds out he killed Stilson.
The battle between ender and Bonzo was only important to Graff and Ender himself. Both knew this day would happen and both wanted to see if a small little Wiggin could turn a massacre into a semi fair battle. Ender did this. He used his abilities to control and it worked just like peter. After Ender won and Bonzo died Graff know knew that Ender was going to be the future commander.
ReplyDeletethe significance of the title of the chapter is that ender just got his army and only had a few weeks to train them important skills that they needed to learn. dragon army instantly dominated all other armies even the salamander army which had a huge head start in the battle room. ender also came ulp with new stratigies that no one else had thought of
ReplyDeletei think that mazer rackems strategies are omitted from the videos is because so commanders and student wont go looking at them and trying to copy what he did. they want them to come up with their own stratigies and tactics to beat their enemys instead of copping old commmanders moves
ReplyDeleteThe significance of Chapter 11 is that even though his army was new, Ender still managed to defeat any army that they came against, point is, showing that even though he is young he knows what he is doing,
ReplyDeleteEnders fight with bonzo shows, that after every single time he catches himself hurting someone, he reminds himself of peter.
Part of what makes the battle with Bonzo most important, or any occasion where Ender ends up hurting someone, is what it establishes to the readers about his personality. Without these scenes no one could truly understand Ender's compassion. It would remove a whole level of depth to the book without it.
ReplyDeleteThe title supports the chapter because in the chapter, Ender and his newly trained army battle other armies that have had months of training, where as Ender's army only had a few weeks. Although they only had a few weeks, that didn't stop them from winning every battle they had.
ReplyDeleteThe video's don't show much of Mazer because, they were made as propaganda, not to be studies like Ender tried to use them for.
The fight with Bonzo is so important because it had been building up for a few years, and when it happened, the opposite of what everyone was expecting happened.
Ender's fight with Bonzo is important because it once again shows that Ender accidentally hurt someone trying to defend himself. It was never Ender's intention to hurt some one. This fight against Bonzo can be easily related to Enders fight against Stilson. And in each fight all Ender was trying to do is defend himself. This fight also shows that Ender can't always be protected that sometimes he has to protect himself.
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DeleteI think the reason Mazer's strategies were taken out of the video is because they were all based on luck and they wanted everybody to think that Mazer was so brilliant that he could destroy an army much larger than his only using tactical strategy.
ReplyDeleteEnder came to battle school unwilingly and he saw what he would have to do to win, and he did just those things and he conquered. He won seven straight battles without losing one.
ReplyDeleteI think that the IF is hiding something from all the boys. Why blur it out? I think its much more than just wanting people to come up with their own stradegies, they are hiding something. Because it wasnt just ender who watched the videos so it doesnt have to do with just him.
Enders fight with Bonzo mirrors the fight with stilson. In both cases Ender doesnt want to hurt them, he just wants to protect himself for the future, he hopes that they will fear him enough to not start fights with him. In the he ends up killing them, and then crying about it, so you know he feels guilty. I think that ender has so much anger towards everything going on that he has to let it out somehow, without adults around to moniter. Ender proves he can protect himself physically but can he protect himself mentally, and stay in the right mind?
Ender knew what he was in store for in battle school so he did everything he had to do because he knew nothing was waiting for him back at home and i think that is why he did such a good job in battle school cause he amounted to nothing back at home but up there, everyone feared him and he actually became something. I also think ender does not want to fight or kill these people but he has to make a point so he can protect himself in future battles and he does feel horrible about it after but there is nothing he can do but deal with it and just keep fighting
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